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Re: Orphans, etc.
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- From: Jean-Claude Gu�don <firstname.lastname@example.org>
- Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 22:23:58 EDT
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I confess I am a little puzzled by Mr. Holzman's reaction. I am fully aware of the financial constraints under which university presses labour, and recognize the degree to which pragmatic imperatives may be imposing themselves a little too often. But one could still be "regretfully" pragmatic; one could still declare one's adherence to higher principles and justify adopting more practical strategies on particular, and hopefully temporary, situations. That, I would understand and I know many U. Presses are managed in precisely that spirit, for example at my university. But when I hear financial concerns expressed in such a way as to appear to trump everything else, I think it is time to point out the worrisome nature of such a behavioural compass. As for lacking civility, I suspect the moderator would have put a stop to my message, had it reflected such insensitivity. I simply referred to values other than financial that appeared important to me. And saying that print transformed documents into commodities is a well-known and widely accepted thesis among historians of printing. And, I should add, Joe Esposito's wit is indeed a welcomed relief. Sorry about Henry James, Joe... I simply did not know :-) -- Jean-Claude Guedon Professeur titulaire Litterature comparee Universite de Montreal Le lundi 31 octobre 2011, Alex Holzman a ecrit : > I confess, I'd drafted a somewhat dark statement of my own in > response M. Guedon's characterization of an entire profession's > humanity. Joe's chosen a much more lighthearted and constructive > path to which I gladly defer. The rest of us on this list should > follow his example and return to our customary level of civility. > > Alex Holzman > Director > Temple University Press > Email: email@example.com > http://www.temple.edu/tempress > > > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Joseph Esposito > <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: > > > What grim and dark mood has fallen on this thread? Here we > > have David Prosser: > > > > "It's interesting and maybe tells us something in addition to > > list participants stating their opinions. Of course, when such > > studies reinforce our prejudices we cite them; when they don't, > > we invent charming analogies to show why they can't possibly be > > true." > > > > I think the proper response to this statement is "Speak for > > yourself." I am astonished by this display of cynicism about > > sources and citations on a list dedicated to librarianship and > > scholarly communications. > > > > And here we have Jean-Claude: > > > > "It is true that print has transformed documents into > > merchandise, into goods; that does not mean that other forms of > > value are not present. Henry James' novels were sold less and > > less as he grew older. By Joe Esposito's criterion, Henry > > James' novels were worth nothing or little more than nothing > > for a while before coming back to some (moderate) level of > > (commercial) value more recently." > > > > Of course, I never said or thought any such thing. And to use > > my personal favorite, Henry James, as a shibboleth is cruel. > > What I did say is that asking people to pay an economic price > > when they themselves have no economic benefit is not realistic. > > > > Gentlemen, lighten up! I am with Lambeth Strether: "Live! > > Live all you can!" > > > > Joe Esposito > > > > Joseph J. Esposito > > Portable CEO