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Re: Hathi Orphans?

A large sample is not a unanimous representation. The list 
presented by Ms. Lustigman is impressive. It is not the whole 

However, where are the German, French and Spanish publishers, 
only to stay within Western Europe? Are there only 20 library and 
collective rights organisations (and are these two classes of 
organizations open to being treated as "publishers"?)

Consequently, I must decline being corrected this time. I 
continue to stand partially corrected as tated in my earlier 

Jean-Claude Guedon

Le mardi 04 octobre 2011, Victoria Lustigman a ecrit:

> I must again correct Mr Guedon, hopefully for the last time over
> this matter.
> ARROW has the full support and engagement of the Federation of 
> European Publishers, the Italian Publishers Association, The 
> Publishers Association (UK) and the Publishers Licensing 
> Society (UK), which alone has mandates from almost 3000 
> UK-based publishers, along with around twenty European library 
> and collective rights organisations. On that basis I do feel 
> that I was entitled to speak on behalf of "the" publishers and 
> not just "some" publishers.
> The original ARROW project came to a successful conclusion in 
> April this year, successful in the sense that it has 
> established a pilot operation and proof of concept. Work has 
> now begun on ARROW Plus to extend this work to a wider 
> repertoire, more countries in Europe and a wider network of 
> potential databases for diligent search.
> Perhaps the model also has application outside the European 
> Union?
> Victoria Lustigman
> Head of Communications
> The Publishers Association Limited
> 29B Montague Street
> London
> WC1B 5BW
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> [mailto:owner-liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu] On Behalf Of
> jean.claude.guedon@umontreal.ca
> Sent: 03 October 2011 22:01
> To: liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu
> Subject: Re: Hathi Orphans?
> Many thanks for attracting our attention to the ARROW project. 
> I was not aware of this European endeavour, and, after browsing 
> the pdf mentioned by Victoria Lustigman, I find the approach 
> promising.
> This said, it is not "the" publishers that are involved, but 
> rather some publishers. Those publishers are indeed making an 
> honest effort to sort out the orphan status of books under 
> rights, and they should be strongly encouraged, supported, 
> applauded and helped, if only to bring all, or at least most 
> publishers on board.
> Thank you, Ms. Lustigman, for bringing this important piece of 
> information to light. But in view of the number of publishers 
> not yet involved in this kind of effort, my comments are not so 
> extraordinary, only imperfectly documented, which is different. 
> I stand partially corrected.
> Jean-Claude Guedon
> Le vendredi 30 septembre 2011, Victoria Lustigman a ecrit:
>> These comments are extraordinary in light of the fact that 
>> publishers are one of the main protagonists in finding 
>> solutions to Orphan Works issues.
>> Take a look at the ARROW Project, for instance - the website is
>> here: http://www.arrow-net.eu/
>> and a recent paper about ARROW is here:
> http://www.publishersassociation.org.uk/images/stories/PLS%20ALCS%20ARROW%20paper.pdf
>> As some readers of this list may already know ARROW is a
>> collaborative European project that enables a diligent search
>> for rightsholders and speeds up the process for mass
>> digitisation. You"ll see from the links above that publishers
>> are active partners in this project and have supported,
>> advocated and progressed it from the beginning. This is hardly
>> a sign that publishers are not making an "honest effort" to
>> sort out these highly important issues.
>> Victoria Lustigman
>> Head of Communications
>> The Publishers Association Limited
>> 29B Montague Street
>> WC1B 5BW