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Re: Springer Open Choice uptake affects 2011 journal pricing
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- Subject: Re: Springer Open Choice uptake affects 2011 journal pricing
- From: JOHANNES VELTEROP <velteropvonleyden@btinternet.com>
- Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 20:10:08 EDT
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Fred, I'm interested to hear how you define 'fair'. And more to the point, perhaps, is the notion of fairness anything other than problematic in a situation where what you might call 'fair' publishers don't have anything to gain? Lower subscription prices rarely, if ever, increase sales. In fact, the smaller, cheaper journals are the most likely to be cut first, I understand. If you don't like the price reductions in hybrid journals in proportion to their OA content, what you have to do is ignore the OA articles, and decide if the subscription price is what you would pay for the journal without that OA content. The logical next step is that you decide if a subscription price for any journal is fair on the basis of the (non-OA) number of articles published. If you look at subscription prices and divide them by the number of (non-OA) articles published, you'll find vast differences in subscription price per article. How do you decide what's fair? The average? The median? The modus? Would it depend on the mix of article types? And what would you do regarding the ones that fall outside your 'fair' range? Cancel? Or just moan? (I mean 'express displeasure', of course.) I'm in favour of the 'Pay-Or-Go-Away' model of full OA. Hybrid journals are problematic, but they are better than journals that do not offer any OA option at all. **** From: "Fred.Jenkins@notes.udayton.edu" Springer Open Choice uptake affects 2011 journal pricing - That is a fallacy. You are only talking about net publisher revenue, which would make sense if the journal were totally open source and nobody paid for a subscription. But as long as the journals are partly open source and partly subscription model, anyone who wants the full content of the journal has to pay the subscription price. If the same full-price institutional subscriber also pays some open access fees for its authors, the institution is actually paying more than the full subscription price! Even those who don't pay author fees are then still paying "full price" for articles that the authors already have paid to have made open access, which can only be described as an out and out scam. So at bottom you are saying that maintaining publisher revenues is what defines fair, regardless of how you get there. Fred W. Jenkins, Ph.D. Associate Dean for Collections & Operations & Professor, University of Dayton Libraries
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