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RE: Open Access to Research Is Inevitable, Libraries Are Told
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- From: "Nat Gustafson-Sundell" <n-gustafson-sundell@northwestern.edu>
- Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 19:33:32 EST
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>Are the established brands continuing to produce the kind of >work that made the brands valuable in the first place? If the >answer is no, there is trouble ahead (for them). OA was largely a response to the failure of commercial publishers to provide adequate support for scholarly communications. By adopting predatory pricing tactics, commercial publishers changed the environment of scholarly communications, so that fewer and fewer publishers consumed larger and larger shares of the resources, meaning that less and less funds (proportionally) were available for smaller publishers or new ventures. By looking ahead, some bright eyed scholars realized that eventually these publishers would bring the whole system down, since it was clearly unsustainable. Scholarly submissions would continue growing (and the pace has been increasing), but journal publications would not keep pace. If commercial publishers were responsible for adding titles to handle the extra need, the problem would grow worse more quickly, since those titles would also be priced (or back-loaded) unfairly. Here comes OA to save the day: How do we provide an alternative, or at least a yardstick* by which to judge these predatory publishers and slowly replace them as they grow less and less cost-effective**? How do we provide support systems for society and small publisher titles as they are forced under by commercial predators? How do we add titles to handle the extra demand? You guessed it -- and OA has been doing it. OA publishers have been delivering the same peer reviewed product as the established brands. In some cases, such as those society publishers who move to University or Library OA publishers for shelter, the product is almost the same (though underlying systems will be more efficient). OA journals do not suffer any disadvantage in quality of product or impact. They simply cost much less and provide new opportunities to both students and faculty, as well as create new collaboration and innovation opportunities for universities and libraries, the benefits of which we keep seeing and talking about. The literature is literally littered with evidence, so this deny, deny, deny bit is just too tobacco industry for me. Let's get this part of the silliness over. Was the OA movement created on a lark or out of some malevolent plot to "disrupt traditional publishing"? Seriously, that's what you think? ... although, come to think of it, it's true that since OA operates on a different model than probably all commercial publishers and since it is more efficient (revolutionarily innovative?), it will eventually force commercial publishers to reform (if they have a culture that allows them to adapt -- I'm pessimistic), so in that sense, yes, OA is disruptive ... and thank goodness. -Nat *... and so the two intertwined threads, where we look at the evidence of OA cost-effectiveness, while wondering how commercial publishers can make the same processes so much more expensive. **...since price continues to go up, but value offered remains largely steady or even erodes year by year. -----Original Message----- From: owner-liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu [mailto:owner-liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Esposito Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 6:25 PM To: liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu Subject: Re: Open Access to Research Is Inevitable, Libraries Are Told There are two separate themes running through this thread, and it's useful to keep them separate. One is, How much does it cost (or could it cost) to conduct peer review of scholarly material? The other is, Can we replicate all the features of the traditional publishing system in an open access environment, and do so at lower cost? There is no question that peer review can be conducted for relatively low cost, whether in an OA or toll-access environment. It can even be managed at costs far lower than even the staunchest OA advocates maintain, once the analytic power of industrial processes are brought to it. That means things like working in the Cloud, automating all the interfaces, etc. Universities are poor places to keep costs down, as they are typically high-cost (and high touch) environments, but there is no inherent reason that peer review services for OA should be managed by universities. If Verizon can have a call center in Bangalore, why not Duke? The problem is that peer review has many varieties, and the work of the established publications focuses mostly on one thing: What do I have to do to make this a publication that people will pay for, and once they are willing to pay for it, what value proposition can I assert that will give me some elasticity as to pricing? The overall editorial program of a traditional publication is at the service of these business objectives. Thus traditional journals seek the most highly regarded academic editors, who in turn seek the most highly regarded reviewers. All this in turn leads to the development of the publication's brand. At some point the brand itself takes on its own qualities. When people say, I will pay more for an Apple product, they are acknowledging the premium associated with the Apple brand. Think of such brands as Science and Lancet. The articles published there have a special status because of the brand that supports them and which they in turn support. Can OA be successful? Yep. Is it successful today? Somewhat. Is it supplanting established publications? For the most part, no. It's one thing to set up a competent system for publishing something, another to create the aura of an established brand and all that goes with it. I think a legitimate question is, Are the established brands continuing to produce the kind of work that made the brands valuable in the first place? If the answer is no, there is trouble ahead (for them). Another question to ask is, Are there things in scholarly communications that the established brands are not currently doing or may in fact have difficulty doing because of the implications of their brands? An example of something that is not being done is real-time publication. An example of brand conflict might be (and this question can be entertaining) having the Hopkins School of Medicine sponsor a journal on "alternative" medicine (presumably the editor would be based in my New Age hometown of Santa Cruz). If the goal is to disrupt traditional publishing, the place to look is not where the established publications are strong but where they are absent or weak. An open access NEJM will be hard to pull off. Joe Esposito On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Eric Hellman <eric@hellman.net> wrote: > I think it would be interesting for all to see how publishers > would itemize the expenses associated with review process. > > My guess is that many of the items would be unanticipated by > non-publishers but still scaleable. > > On Feb 25, 2010, at 6:02 PM, Anthony Watkinson wrote: > >> Is Professor Guedon really suggesting that publishers who spend a >> lot of money on online editorial systems, on editor honoraria, on >> editorial back-up costs and on editorial board meetings are >> really doing so because they want to increase their costs? The >> software he mentions may well work for small journals in the >> humanities but it is my understanding that it does not satisfy >> editors of biomedical journals or their authors:. >> >> Anthony
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