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RE: Correction (RE: Thatcher vs. Harnad)
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- From: "David Prosser" <david.prosser@bodley.ox.ac.uk>
- Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:32:22 EDT
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Sally Yes, costs have to be covered irrespective of the access model. Yes, some open access journals rely to some extent on sponsorship to cover the costs, but then so do some subscription-based journals. For example, you will recall the survey that you commissioned for ALPSP that showed that a third of society-published journals surveyed made a loss - they were being sponsored by their societies. And yes, some open access journals are supported indirectly, with institutions picking-up some or all of the costs of time, office accommodation and services, and computing resources, etc. In exactly the same way as for some subscription-based journals some or all of these costs are picked-up by the institutions. (Of course, some journals pay for these costs - both subscription-based and open access.) As for opportunity costs, let's admit that the vast majority of scholarly journals rely on these 'hidden' costs. From the 'costs' of authors writing their papers, to the 'costs' of referees reviewing papers (mostly for free), to the 'costs' of Editors (and I know that in some fields some Editors are paid well, but in others they go either unpaid or receive honoraria far below their 'hourly rate'). I'm not sure why you consider these costs important for open access journals but not for journals with other access models. So, we have a variety of revenue streams - for both subscription-based and open access journals - and a variety of subsidy-levels through the academic community picking-up opportunity costs and what might be called overhead costs - again, both for subscription-based and open access journals. We appear to be creating a false dichotomy (as with the 'barrier to authors' argument) that does not reflect the true spectrum that actually cuts across access models. David C Prosser PhD Director SPARC Europe E-mail: david.prosser@bodley.ox.ac.uk http://www.sparceurope.org -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Sally Morris (Morris Associates) Sent: 10 July 2007 21:06 To: liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu Subject: RE: Correction (RE: Thatcher vs. Harnad) Open Access journals that don't charge authors (and some that do) are being paid for somewhere else. It may be explicit, as with the Moore Foundation sponsorship for PLoS or that of Ishikawa for Evidence-Based Complementary and Alternative Medicine. Or it may be implicit, where the editor's parent organization is covering the costs of time (salaries and associated costs), office accommodation and services, and computing resources. Some naively (in my view) argue that these costs do not exist since the people, office and computer were there anyway - but what about opportunity cost? They could all be doing other things. I don't think anyone has compared the fortunes and reputation of those OA journals that do and don't charge authors. It would be interesting to see whether there is, in fact, any difference... Sally Morris Consultant, Morris Associates (Publishing Consultancy) Email: sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk
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