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- Subject: Re: Versions
- From: Jan Velterop <email@example.com>
- Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:08:24 EDT
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Anthony, The version of record is the one that has been published by BioMed Central and deposited by BioMed Central in any of the archives with which it has an official arrangement. There is no problem if they have a different HTML appearance in those archives -- and they do -- as long as the text, figures, and additional files (videos, 3D, datasets, et cetera) are exactly the same. I don't think that what you call 'vanilla' is what we publish as the final version. As soon as an article is accepted after peer review (in the overwhelming majority of cases involving at least one round of revision), we publish the provisional version (essentially the author's manuscript, perhaps your 'vanilla' version), which is usually in a week or so replaced by a fully XML-coded and where necessary corrected final version, and made available in HTML as well as fully laid-out in two-columns for printing in the form of a PDF (obviously, the increasingly appended and available video, 3D and data-files cannot be rendered in a PDF). Take a look at any of the journals on our site to see what it all looks like: www.biomedcentral.com Best, Jan On 15 Jun 2004, at 22:38, Anthony Watkinson wrote:
I did not believe that Jan had actually coined this phrase but I have
checked and he did and what a good term "minutes of science" is. As he
points out science is built on previous knowledge.
I have a question for him and for this list. For Professor Harnad and his disciplines the authentic form of the message of the scientist is the postprint (as he has named it) - the form of the message that has
(finally) been accepted for publication. This is the so-called vanilla
form. BMC publish this vanilla form. PLOS and the great majority of other refereed journals go through another iteration before publishing. It is called "copy-editing" - an unfortunate term because somehow it makes one thinks of correcting references and putting in commas. Of course correcting references is necessary to make linking possible. Putting in commas irons out ambiguities. There are also (as I am sure PLOS staff) would agree major work necessary to get the paper in final form after the peer review has done its work. PLOS would not have gone for this extra expence if they did not find that their community wanted this extra work.
My question for Jan and others is - what is the authentic form of the
minutes when there are two versions with some sort of external
creditation. There is the version in the institutional repository,
accepted by those who run those repositories, and there is the "published" version. I would suggest that authors see the published version as the authentic version (though I have no evidence for that other than what the authors and editors say to me and to other publishers). This is clearly not a question for BMC because the versions are identical but what do PLOS and its supporters think?
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