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Re: manifest assent & which version?
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- Subject: Re: manifest assent & which version?
- From: Ivy Lee Anderson <ivy_anderson@harvard.edu>
- Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:52:01 EDT
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I have two comments on the manifest assent discussion: At 07:27 PM 6/22/00 -0400, Carole Richter wrote: >But more important, we have a negotiated and signed license with >Silverplatter, because there were a few provisions we wanted to have >changed. I'm curious about your view as to whether this kind of agreement >can be superceded by the fact that users might click through a posted >license agreement on the Web? We include a provision in our negotiated licenses indicating that the license expressly supersedes any click-through or other online version posted at the provider's website. This removes the ambiguity between what is negotiated and what is presented online to a user. It has not proved controversial with vendors; I believe we are all working in good faith when we negotiate an institutional agreement. But eliminating the legal ambiguity is a good thing. >At 04:30 PM 6/22/2000 EDT, David Mirchin wrote: >>Conversely, I do agree with those who have said that terms and conditions >>which are hidden on some page are not appropriately brought to the >>attention of the user. And frankly, I think those publishers may very >>well lose out (as Ticketmaster did in the Tickets.com case in March) in >>trying to enforce those website agreements. If I recall correctly, UCITA does discuss what would constitute sufficient notice in the case of an online agreement of manifest assent. The principle doesn't require a click-through, but it does require some form of notice to the user or other contracting party. This can take the relatively subtle form of "Your use of this product constitutes acceptance of the following <hyperlink>Terms and Conditions</hyperlink> - i.e., the terms can be buried in a link that the user must elect to follow - but, the basic notice must be given in a place that the contracting party will encounter in the normal course of things. I don't think a license buried in an obscure location on a provider's website would meet this criterion unless there were an explicit link to it at an appropriate entry point. On the other hand, there may be some concern over whether this must be at point of order or only at point of use. That is, one could order something online without such notice and then discover the terms of use when one first attempts to use the product. This would be the instance most analagous to shrink-wrap in the physical world. I would be interested in legal opinions on this. Ivy Anderson Coordinator for Digital Acquisitions Harvard University Library Office for Information Systems 1280 Massachusetts Avenue, Suite 404 Cambridge, MA 02138 -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- voice: (617) 495-3724 fax: (617) 495-0491 mailto:ivy_anderson@harvard.edu Visit Harvard Digital Acquisitions on the web at: http://hul.harvard.edu/digacq/
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