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Re: manifest assent & which version?
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- Subject: Re: manifest assent & which version?
- From: Carole Richter <Carole.J.Richter.8@nd.edu>
- Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:27:27 EDT
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David, Speaking as someone without the benefit of legal experience in contract law I'd like to make two observations. First, I heartily agree that your point "this actually is tricky when a person is clicking on behalf of an institution--the publisher must be able to argue that the click should be attributable to the institution" would seem to be VERY tricky indeed. I would of course argue that the person(s) responsible for paying the invoice represent 'the institution.' But more important, we have a negotiated and signed license with Silverplatter, because there were a few provisions we wanted to have changed. I'm curious about your view as to whether this kind of agreement can be superceded by the fact that users might click through a posted license agreement on the Web? I would hope, though it may not be the case, that the institution is agreeing only to the version that is brought to the attention of a clearly responsible party. This should be relatively simple to determine, because most information providers require contact name(s) and information when subscribing to an electronic resource. How I wish our institutions were so comfortably staffed that someone could be available to constantly monitor changes to online licensing in order to determine that no one is agreeing to a newly posted condition simply by using the provided resource! Carole Richter Electronic Resources Coordinator University of Notre Dame Libraries (219)631-8405 richter.8@nd.edu At 04:30 PM 6/22/2000 EDT, you wrote: >I've been following with interest the conversation on manifest assent and >have the following observations: > >1. UCITA didn't change the law on clickthrough agreements. Every case >since 1996 (and there have been about a dozen by my count) has held that >clickthrough agreements are enforceable. > >2. As for acceptance by conduct. UCITA again has not changed the law >here. If you read the comments to Section 112 of UCITA >http://www.law.upenn.edu/bll/ulc/ucita/ucitacom300.htm, it explains that >it tracks Restatement (Second ) of Contracts sec. 19. The Restatement, >which tracks the common law in turn, says that "The manifestation of >assent may be made wholly or partly by written or spoken words or by other >acts or by failure to act." In short, conduct has always been a way that >contracts are formed. > >So, in a simple example, I order a tuna sandwich on rye. But my tuna >arrives on whole wheat. I eat it. I can't then claim that there was no >contract. I have accepted by conduct. > >Of course, not just any conduct will do. And UCITA clearly provides this. > >First, the publisher must call the contract to the attention of the user. >Second, the user's actions must clearly indicate that the user agreed. >Third, the actions must be clearly attributable to the user. > >So applying these standards to this situation, I believe that a >clickthrough agreement does bring the contract to the attention of the >user; the user's clicking does show agreement; and then--this actually is >tricky when a person is clicking on behalf of an institution--the >publisher must be able to argue that the click should be attributable to >the institution. > >Conversely, I do agree with those who have said that terms and conditions >which are hidden on some page are not appropriately brought to the >attention of the user. And frankly, I think those publishers may very >well lose out (as Ticketmaster did in the Tickets.com case in March) in >trying to enforce those website agreements. > >3. Which version of the clickthrough agreement is binding? A very good >question. The ease by which online agreements can be changed is a >landmine for a publisher, just as it is for the user. If there's ever a >challenge, the publisher will need to prove which agreement was clicked. >At SilverPlatter, we've dealt with this issue in two ways: First, we date >the license agreement. So if you go to our site, you can see that the >most recent draft is from July 12, 1999. Anyone who clicked after that >date agreed to that form. > >Second, we print out a paper copy of the license agreement from our >website www.silverplatter.com/license on the first day of each month. It >has a time & date stamp on the printout. In that way, if someone clicks >on an agreement on June 22, and we have a printout from June 1 and July 1, >and there have been no changes, we can clearly prove which version someone >agreed to. If there's been a change, then the worst situation for us is >that the user could argue that one of the two agreements is applicable >(and they could try to argue that the one more favorable to them is the >applicable one.) > > >Hope this helps. > >David Mirchin >Vice President & General Counsel >SilverPlatter Information, Inc. >Norwood, MA 02062
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