Re: Russia and Turkey Register Green OA Self-Archiving

[B�lent Karas�zen <bulent@metu.edu.tr>]

In Mathematics it really takes a long time until a paper 
published in a journal. Therefore the scientific communication 
works concerning new results works with preprints. We usually put 
a citation in the reference for the unpublished work. If it is 
published we change this reference by giving the journal issue.

But the most interesing in the Internet area is when an article 
is accepted and available as "articles in print" or something 
like that, one has to wait until it appears in a journal issue. 
This will also take in Mathematics a long time. I think not only 
in Mathematics, in neihgbouring disciplines like Operational 
Research too. The article waits until it is assigned to a volume 
and issue. I think these are habits from print publishing. When 
we have end of print, this should also disaaper. But when I look 
that many journals still offers printed reprints of the publishes 
articles to the authors, I am sceptical about it.

Therefore we need open access for rapid, wide communication and 
getting sooner citation of the published resuts.

Bulent Karasozen

> As I see it Dr. Karasozen is complaining about the long time 
> between the acceptance of the paper and the publication date. 
> Surveys have shown that where there is academic enthusiasm for 
> OA the backlog in many journals is a key reason.
>
> Yet the majority of major journals that follow the subscription 
> model make the accepted paper (usually in its definitive 
> version after copyediting etc) immediately available on the web 
> with a DOI for citation. Of course these papers are only 
> available to subscribers. OA journals and those financed by 
> subscriptions follow much the same route up to the point of 
> putting final versions on the web except of course that for 
> many OA journals payment has presumably to be made by the 
> author (is that the case?) before the paper is released.
>
> In addition a very large number of journals now use web-based 
> online editorial system such as Manuscript Central to speed up 
> both the submission process and the refereeing process. I 
> appreciate that there is no reason why an electronic process 
> should speed up refereeing but empirical evidence from any 
> major problem will show that it does. Some how the refereeing 
> gets prioritised by the scholars doing it. I assume that OA 
> publishers also have these systems (do they?) and it has the 
> same result for them.
>
> OA advocates rightly complain about the myths used as arguments 
> against them but this complaint (for major journals in most 
> fields at any rate) invokes a myth when applied now to journals 
> financed by subscriptions. I am aware that mathematics is 
> different in many ways. For example refereeing does take 
> longer. However mathematical publishers may be able to confirm 
> or otherwise that these generalisations apply to them as they 
> apply to fields with which I am now more familiar
>
> Anthony
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JOHANNES VELTEROP" <velteropvonleyden@btinternet.com>
> To: <liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 10:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Russia and Turkey Register Green OA Self-Archiving
> mandates
>
>> In scholarly, peer-reviewed journal publishing, embargoes and 
>> copyright restrictions have only one function: to ensure that 
>> journals can be sustained financially by selling 
>> subscriptions. Take embargoes and copyright restrictions away, 
>> and journals cannot be reliably and sufficiently sustained, 
>> because subscriptions are likely to vanish.
>>
>> If one wants to get away from embargoes and copyright 
>> restrictions there are basically two scenarios:
>>
>> 1) Disregard formal peer-reviewed journals and publish informally
>> on the web.
>> 2) Find a way to sustain formal peer-reviewed journals in a less
>> roundabout way than subscriptions, by means that do not require
>> embargoes or copyright restrictions.
>>
>> The possibility of scenario 2 is increasingly being offered now
>> (albeit not yet by all publishers or journals): sustaining
>> journals via a per-article charges for the service of formal,
>> peer-reviewed publication, also known as 'open access
>> publishing'.
>>
>> Jan Velterop
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Bulent Karasozen <bulent@metu.edu.tr>
>> To: liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu
>> Sent: Wednesday, 9 May, 2007 4:32:41 PM
>> Subject: RE: Russia and Turkey Register Green OA Self-Archiving
>> Mandates in  ROARMAP
>>
>> I don't see any reason for embargos for posting accepted 
>> articles on institutional repositories. The best way would be 
>> to put the the peer reviewed version of the article immedialy 
>> in the institutioanal repository. In disciplines like 
>> mathematics the reviewing process takes about one year. 
>> Publication of the accepted paper takes one to two years. 
>> Within the time the articles loose their value if they are not 
>> available for the scientific community.
>>
>> In the E-thesis repository of Middle East Technical 
>> University, Ankara we have introduced the one year embargo for 
>> some thesis due to patent applications. But we don't need it 
>> for accepted articles and we will have no embargo rule for the 
>> articles.
>>
>> Bulent Karasozen
>> Middle East Technical University
>> Department of Mathematics & Institute of Applied Mathematics
>> 06531 Ankara-Turkey