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Re: Another Poynder Eye-Opener on Open Access
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- Subject: Re: Another Poynder Eye-Opener on Open Access
- From: <jean.claude.guedon@umontreal.ca>
- Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 20:35:02 EDT
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Some reaction to Stevan's points (not all of them...) > (1) Richard is probably right that PLOS ONE is over-charging and > under-reviewing (and over-hyping). The important point to remember here is that "gold journals" are not equivalent to author- or author-proxy-pay journals. PLOS in general, and PLOS ONE in particular is but a flavour of the gold road. > > (2) It is not at all clear, however, that the solution is to > deposit everything instead as unrefereed preprints in an IR and > then wait for the better stuff to be picked up by an "overlay > journal". (I actually think that's utter nonsense.) If overlay journals (or any equivalent scheme) were to be as passive as Stevan describes, I would fully agree with hi, However, it is not ridiculous to imagine consortia of repositories forming to promote their content, and, on top of that, establish a new layer of active judgement that would create new forms of value for these articles. The tyranny of citation impacts and the misuse of citation impacts must be, to say the least, diluted to bring back some sanity to the evaluation procedures presently in force in various scientific communities. > > (3) The frequently mooted notion (of Richard Smith and many > others) of postpublication "peer review" is not much better, but > it is like a kind of "evolutionarily unstable strategy" that > could be dipped into experimentally to test what scholarly > quality, sustainability, and scaleability it would yield -- until > (as I would predict) the consequences become evident enough to > induce everyone to draw back. What I just wrote above may partially correspond to this postpublication "peer review"; but then it may not. In any case, I would see this effort as one aiming at buiding well-defined quality levels, rather than ranking systems. In short, beside ranking everybody in ways that are sometimes difficult to justify (three decimals with impact factor measurements, for example...), it might be interesting to provide A, B, C, D grades to articles after publication. Who would do that? Juries established by the consortia of repositories I mentioned earlier. Why would they do that? To promote their content and make it more useful (especially if the metadata included an extension incorporating these grades). [snip] > (8) Richard replied that the reason he did not dwell on Green OA, > which he too favors, is that he thinks Green OA progress is still > too slow (I agree!) and that it's important to point out that the > fault in the system is at the publisher end -- whether non-OA > publisher or OA. I continue to think the fault is at the > researcher end, and will be remedied by Green OA self-archiving > by researchers, and Green OA self-archiving mandates by research > institutions and funders If publishers did not constantly muddy the waters and create all kinds of variations on what one can self-archive (for example no publisher pdf), researchers would not feel that there is too much complexity and uncertainty in self-archiving. So, yes, researchers are ultimately responsible, but they cannot be held completely responsible if the rules are made very complex and subtle. A third stake holder deserves being mentioned in this context: research administrators. If their evaluation procedures does not include some bonus for self-archiving, why should the regular researcher self-archive? Stevan would probably answer that they should because of the oA advantage, and, on the whole, he is right, but are they aware of that? Is it so important for their careers at the local and institutional level. If you are a regular research Joe whose impact is, at bestvery limited, yet does his basic job all right, what does it matter to him/her that his impact is doubled if it is very small to start with? At some point in the scientific pyramid, competition ceases to be very crucial, and I suspect that a majority of "researchers" are in that category. In other words,the realities on the ground of scientific practise should be examined very carefully before assigning responsibility only to one category of stakeholders. > > Harnad, S. (2010) No-Fault Peer Review Charges: The Price of > Selectivity Need Not Be Access Denied or Delayed. D-Lib Magazine > 16 (7/8). Thank you for pointing out this article. I had not seen it. [snip] Jean-Claude Guedon
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