RE: Peggy Hoon on licenses

["Hoon, Peggy" <phoon@uncc.edu>]

I think I accidentally sent a partial message, Ann.  What I was 
trying to say, was that I am aware of and applaud the hard work 
and beautiful results of standard licenses that groups have 
developed for the benefit of all.  I use some of the terms myself 
- it's all great. I also applaud the web sites, like yours, and 
the licensing educational efforts by many groups.

Having said that then, my question would be - when your library 
approaches a vendor to buy access to their product, do you send 
them your license and say this is the one we'll be using?  Is 
that what we should be doing?  If so, do the vendors go along 
with that?  Our experience is that we get sent the vendor's 
license which then requires varying amounts (sometimes large 
amounts) of time to realign the terms with our environment and 
what our users need.  I looked at another license yesterday that 
is so off I wonder if it's even the right one for academia.

So - the point isn't that great licenses haven't been developed, 
but they aren't the ones coming across the table.  I would love 
to know if anyone has had success just sending back an entirely 
different license - like NERL - and had IT used as the starting 
point?

Best, Peggy


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu on behalf of Okerson, Ann
Sent: Tue 2/22/2011 5:42 PM
To: liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu
Subject: RE: Peggy Hoon on licenses

Dear Peter:  There are several "standard reality-based library 
licenses," to my knowledge.  One that works well for us is our 
NERL template license, which grew out of the original DLF model 
license:

http://www.library.yale.edu/NERLpublic/NERLGenericLicjeRev092410.pdf

Others can probably point to their own similar useful standard 
contracts.

Cordially, Ann Okerson

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu
[mailto:owner-liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Peter B. Hirtle
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 8:25 PM
To: liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu
Subject: Peggy Hoon on licenses

Peggy Hoon has an important post on the current state of library 
licensing at

http://www-apps.umuc.edu/blog/collectanea/2011/02/running-in-circles-copyright-l.html

Entitled "Running In Circles: Copyright, Licensing, and the 
Educational Environment," Hoon notes that in spite of decades of 
work, "libraries are still slogging through, license by license, 
the same terms, over and over, that are either legally prohibited 
or reflect an unrealistic view of a university library 
environment."  She concludes that "there simply has to be a 
standard reality-based library license."

Peter B. Hirtle
Senior Policy Advisor
Digital Scholarship Services
Cornell University Library
Ithaca, NY  14853
peter.hirtle@cornell.edu