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- From: "Irving Rockwood" <IRockwood@ala-choice.org>
- Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 16:58:18 -0500 (EST)
This discussion has taken some interesting directions, and I personally find the differences in estimated average costs quite fascinating, but not actually very surprising. However, one of the things I keep wondering about is the strong attraction exhibited, by some at least, to finding ways of holding out-of-pocket scholarly publishing costs to the absolute minimum possible? What does that say about our sense of priorities as a society? It all reminds me of that slogan from the 60's, "It'll be a great day when our schools have all the money they need and the Air Force has to hold bake sales to buy a new bomber..." or something like that. If scholarly communication is important, is it not reasonable to ask that we as a society be willing and able to commit some reasonable proportion of our resources to it? Or should we instead "starve the beast" in hopes of....? As one who remembers the 60's, I still find myself yearning from time to time for that better, simpler, world in which we all grow our own vegetables (which my family did), raise our own poultry (if you're OK with eating eggs and maybe an occasional chicken; if not, not), teach our children at home, build our own houses, and spend as little as possible on the products offered to us by those heartless owners of the means of mass production. And as dated, and naive, as this sounds today, I really do feel those pangs from time to time. Which is why I mow my own lawn (while thinking about eliminating it by going natural), service my own power equipment, cut and split my own firewood, and have joined the Community Supported Agriculture movement. But, I am also aware, that even as we in academia and scholarly publishing continually fret about the increasing cost of journals, books, and (relatively) shrinking library materials budgets, our society is simultaneously devoting huge chunks of money--far, far, larger than anything most of us have any experience with--into other less crucial endeavors--pet food for example. (I say that as a dog lover. Forgive me, Asia.) And I have to ask myself, would not some of the energy we seem to be so committed to putting into making scholarly publishing costs go away, be better put into finding ways to ensure that we, as a society, can and do adequately fund things like education (including higher education)? Yes, even scholarly communication? If we want to avail ourselves of the advantages of today's technology, it's going to cost something, is it not? If Citibank is worth a $34 billion rescue package and a $300 billion guarantee, how much is your college library worth? Nothing? Something? And should CHOICE really have to agonize every year over whether to increase subscription prices by $5.00 or $10.00? Or try to hold them even (as we sometimes manage to do), even as CHOICE staff settle for minimal salary adjustments year after year (on salaries that aren't all that high to begin with)? There are, I suspect, no real answers to these questions, but if anyone has one, I'd be delighted to hear it. Regards, Irving E. Rockwood Editor & Publisher CHOICE 100 Riverview Center Suite 298 Middletown, CT 06457 (860) 347-6933 x119 (860) 704-0465 fax Irockwood@ala-choice.org -----Original Message----- From: email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org= le.edu] On Behalf Of Heather Morrison Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:57 PM To: email@example.com Subject: RE: Should university presses adopt an OA model for all of their s= cholarly books? Nawin Gupta wrote: Here is an approximation of costs for purposes of this discussion: Managing Editor - ranging from half-time to full-time with an editorial assistant - $30,000 to $100,000 Editorial Office - $5,000 to $25,000 Editorial Processing, from acceptance to ready for publishing in print and online, including copy-editing and peer review system - ~ $100/page; ranging from $40,000 (for a quarterly journal with 100 editorial pages per issue) to $200,000 for around 2,000 editorial pages *** Questions: 1.=09Can you clarify that these are two ways of expressing editing costs (Editorial Staff + Office), OR Editorial processing costs? Or am I misreading this? 2.=09$100 per page for copyediting and peer review seems very steep. Is as example of a journal where these functions are provided by paid editorial staff? Comment: The cost estimates for university press publishing provided by Gupta and Thatcher are very different. This is quite common in scholarly publishing, and makes much more sense than one would think at first. Almost anything in scholarly publishing can be done either on a purely volunteer / in-kind support basis, or by paying for services, or something in between (e.g., an editorial salary only partially reflecting the work involved). Because this is part of the work of the scholar, there can be a vast difference in cost which does not necessarily correlate with quality. Some of the society journals are produced at very low costs compared with the commercial sector, for example, yet are very highly regarded for their quality, often moreso than commercial journals. Any opinion expressed in this e-mail is that of the author alone, and does not represent the opinion or policy of BC Electronic Library Network or Simon Fraser University Library. Heather Morrison, MLIS The Imaginary Journal of Poetic Economics http://poeticeconomics.blogspot.com ---2071850956-269898490-1228513925=:13022--
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