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Re: Correcting Stevan Harnad's Misrepresentation
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- Subject: Re: Correcting Stevan Harnad's Misrepresentation
- From: "B.G. Sloan" <bgsloan2@yahoo.com>
- Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:59:48 EDT
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Joe Esposito says:
"What is really needed in the research community is not open
access but 'open access follow-through.'"
I'm not quite sure what "open access follow-through" entails.
Maybe Joe could explain?
Bernie Sloan
Sora Associates
Bloomington, IN
--- On Mon, 8/18/08, Joseph J. Esposito <espositoj@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Joseph J. Esposito <espositoj@gmail.com>
> Subject: Correcting Stevan Harnad's Misrepresentation
> To: liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu
> Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 5:47 PM
> Sigh. Stevan Harnad wrote:
>
> I kept resisting the posting of a message that amounts to
> "nyah, nyah" but this is too rich: 25 Green OA self-archiving
> mandates by funders worldwide, including NIH, 6/7 of RCUK and
> ERC, and 25 institutional mandates, including Harvard, Stanford
> and CERN, and Joe and Jan think the future of green is bleak?"
>
> JE: I have never said the future of OA is bleak. I have said
> precisely the opposite, that OA is inevitable. And Harnad
> knows this, but insists on misrepresenting my position. I say
> he knows this because he wrote a long and vitriolic response to
> an article of mine several years ago; that article has been
> cited on this list before ("The Devil You Don't Know,"
> http://firstmonday.org). In that piece I asserted that "Open
> Access is the future." Consider how bizarre this is: Harnad
> writes a long attack on an article that mostly agrees with him.
>
> What I have said is that OA in itself is unimportant and that
> it inevitably will drive up costs. The Harvard faculty can
> mandate OA for itself (and, as far as I know, it is within the
> faculty's right to do so), but it won't make people read more
> thoughtfully. The NIH can mandate OA for materials based on
> research it underwites (and why not? They paid for it), but it
> won't improve the quality of the material. I think it is
> highly doubtful (but neither proven nor provable) that the OA
> articles mandated by the Wellcome Trust (for research it has
> funded, etc., etc.) will yield more citations or higher impacts
> than had the material been toll access. OA doesn't make us
> smarter, it does not improve the economy of the United Kingdom
> (one of Harnad's claims of a couple years ago, if I understood
> the argument correctly), and it does not "democratize"
> knowledge or research, except in Lake Woebegone, where all the
> children are above average.
>
> Thus, even as OA is becoming increasingly widespread, the
> rationale for supporting it becomes weaker and weaker. This is
> the house of cards: not OA itself, but the reasons to support
> it.
>
> What is really needed in the research community is not open
> access but "open access follow-through." But this
> follow-through applies whether documents are OA or toll access.
> And that is why OA is not that important. Harnad is solving
> the wrong problem.
>
> Joe Esposito
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