RE: In the news (Georgia State)

["Ian.Russell" <ian.russell@cytherean.co.uk>]

Apologies for the egregious typos in my last two posts.  I meant, 
of course, 'unknown provenance' in the last post!

Ian Russell

> -----Original Message-----
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> l@lists.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Ian.Russell
> Sent: 23 April 2008 22:59
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> Subject: RE: In the news (Georgia State)
>
> Thomas' reply raises some further questions:
>
> 1) Strictly speaking, arXiv is an electronic preprint server so 
> the papers there may not be the published version.  Are 
> researchers in physics happy to use that version?  Would 
> researchers in human medicine be happy to use a version of 
> unknown providence?  Would librarians be happy with that 
> situation?
>
> 2) The content that I am familiar with on arXiv almost always 
> associates a posted article with a journal.  Authors very 
> quickly add 'submitted to Physical Review E' or 'Published in 
> Classical and Quantum Gravity' (or whatever journal) to their 
> preprint. Why?  Well to get the authority / credibility / 
> imprimatur / brand identity of the journal.  This is tied to - 
> but not exclusively gained by - the peer review process of the 
> journal. It is very important to note that for many, many years 
> (going back to pre-web) journals have NOT been the method of 
> primary dissemination in some subjects. arXiv may provide 
> access to content, but trustworthiness and authority - for the 
> time being at least - still comes from journals (whatever 
> business model is used).  What would happen to academia if the 
> primary mechanism of identifying trustworthy content and 
> assessing the order in which to read papers was taken away?
>
> 3) As someone who represents society publishers I find Thomas' 
> final point very interesting.  I would be even more interested 
> to hear any ideas for mechanisms to facilitate the flow of 
> money away from library acquisition budgets to scholarly 
> societies. Any ideas?
>
> Ian Russell
> CEO, ALPSP
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu [mailto:owner-liblicense-
>> l@lists.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Thomas Krichel
>> Sent: 23 April 2008 00:05
>> To: liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu
>> Subject: Re: In the news (Georgia State)
>>
>> Ian.Russell writes
>>
>>> So presumably this is one of the journals that Thomas
>>> recommends librarians to cancel?
>>
>> Yes, because it is in Physics, where there is already a lot of
>> open access. Presumably most papers in JHEP can be found on
>> arXiv. The funds saved from cancellations should be used to
>> sponsor scholarly societies or groups to set up open access
>> resources.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Thomas Krichel                    http://openlib.org/home/krichel
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