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Re: SCOAP3
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- From: "Enrico M. Balli" <enrico@medialab.sissa.it>
- Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:41:47 EST
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Sent on behalf of Prof. Hector Rubinstein, Chairman of the J-Journals Executive Editorial Committee. Ms. Ann Okerson Dr. Gene Sprouse Dr. Joseph Serene This is a collective answer to your reactions to the SCOAP3 proposal. I am an active High Energy and Cosmology theoretical physicist and together with Loriano Bonora and Daniele Amati the creator of the Journal of High Energy Physics (JHEP, jhep.sissa.it) and later of other journals such as the Journal of Cosmology and Astroparticle Physics (JCAP, jcap.sissa.it), the Journal of Instrumentation (JINST, jinst.sissa.it) and the Journal of Statistical Mechanics (JSTAT, jstat.sissa.it) I first address the concerns of Ms. Okerson. > When we met recently with a leader of the SCOAP3 initiative, he > mentioned that one of the incentives for libraries to join is > that the combined SCOAP3 group of subscribers will be large > enough to negotiate with the publishers and to reduce the > overall subscription fees we pay by as much as 2/3. This seemed > hugely optimistic to me, as none of the publishers listed > below, whatever their $/article, is making anywhere approaching > 2/3 surplus. And, in fact, societies like the APS note that > they have "no fat to trim." I think that the answers to all her questions are simple and some are implicitly given in the e-mail from Dr. Sprouse. Indeed, at the end, Open Access is a question that boils down to giving access to every researcher to peer reviewed scientific material, at reasonable cost. If you look at the Table in the email from Dr. Sprouse it is no accident that the two non-profit journals, Phys. Rev. D and JHEP, cost about the same and 20 times less than Nuclear Physics B! How can you say that costs can not be cut by 2/3?. No one is asking to lower the price of JHEP or Phys. Rev. D., but just to force the commercial companies to be reasonable. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier) tells me that Reeds-Elsevier made 1.06 billion dollars in profits last year. > Anyhow, this led to the SCOAP staff's statement that it should > be possible for publishers to bring their costs down that much, > through additional savings in their publication costs, and the > SCOAP3 negotiations will push publishers to achieve these. In > turn, we suggested that if such low cost, high quality could be > achieved, it might be useful for SCOAP3/CERN to demonstrate > that by starting a journal that proves the concept. The second point raised by Ms. Okerson is really surprising. Such a journal has existed for 10 years now. It is JHEP! It is one of the largest in size in High Energy Physics, has the highest impact factor of all physics journals, and the largest number of most cited papers. It costs about 15% of Nuclear Physics B. So why is Ms. Okerson making this uneducated statement? Now to the points raised by Dr. Sprouse > To raise $3.7M, the US part of the $14M of consortium funding, > SCOAP3 is negotiating with US institutions involved in HEP > research. We estimate that only about 1/3 of the US > subscription revenue for Physical Review D comes from these > institutions, so if only they are involved, each must be asked > to triple what it now pays for PRD The idea of OA is to shift the cost of peer review (which is the present value of journals) to the authors. As the SCOAP3 model implies, American-affiliated scholars are the authors of a quarter of accepted articles in High Energy Physics and this should be their share. Your analysis of how these costs will be distributed is misleading. The amount paid by American libraries would be for ALL journals. To say that it is an increase on the cost of Phys. Rev. D. by a factor of 3 it is not correct. If the 3.7 million $ which SCOAP3 identifies as the "fair" US share are raised, they will pay for all High Energy Physics journals. So libraries will indeed be paying much less than today, while Phys. Rev. D. will have the same income. Sure enough, OA must propagate to all branches of physics and hopefully science so that the system will be simple. The subscription model may not be bad but has been distorted by some publishers who ask prices far beyond cost, taking advantage of a monopolistic situation. It is our duty to return these sums for research and education as it was the case until the 1940's. If publishers are forced to charge what APS or SISSA Medialab charge for their excellent journals it will be something of great value. There are other problems with private publishers (I was unfortunately the main Editor of High Energy Physics for Elsevier for many years). In a nutshell, they are not interested in science but in dividends. I hope you will reconsider your position. Prof. Hector Rubinstein Stockholm and Uppsala University, Chairman of the J-Journals Executive Editorial Committee
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