RE: Correction (RE: Thatcher vs. Harnad)

["David Prosser" <david.prosser@bodley.ox.ac.uk>]

Actually, Anthony, I wouldn't have made that point as it would 
have placed me on a very sticky wicket!  When I worked at OUP 
Nucleic Acids Research did make colour figure charges and The 
EMBO Journal (which was then published by OUP) had a per page 
charge for 'excess' pages - to give just two examples. (Of 
course, Nucleic Acids Research is now an open access journal.)

My point was to show that the 'open access journals erect new 
financial barriers to authors' argument is too simplistic. 
Significant numbers of closed access journals require author 
payments and significant numbers of open access journals require 
no such charges.

Best wishes

David C Prosser PhD
Director
SPARC Europe
E-mail:  david.prosser@bodley.ox.ac.uk

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu
[mailto:owner-liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Anthony Watkinson
Sent: 03 July 2007 05:59
To: liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu
Subject: Re: Correction (RE: Thatcher vs. Harnad)

Dear David

As we have discussed in another arena, I am sure that you have, 
when you worked at OUP and Elsevier, made the point that your 
journals did not have colour charges probably and certainly not 
page charges. If you did not use this point in promotion you were 
missing a trick - which is not like you. As you know very few 
commercial journals have page charges.

Anthony

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Prosser" <david.prosser@bodley.ox.ac.uk>
To: <liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:08 AM
Subject: RE: Correction (RE: Thatcher vs. Harnad)

>>Except to the degree that it raises barriers to publication for
>>authors -- which, of course, it does.
>
> Except, of course, where there are no author fees (in the case
> of over half of the journals listed in the DOAJ), or where the
> authors fees can be waived (BMC, PLoS, etc.).
>
> (Incidentally, I always find it intriguing that open access
> publication fees are described as barriers to publication, but
> we rarely hear the same being said of page charges, colour
> figure charges, etc. for publication-based journals.)
>
> David C Prosser PhD
> Director
> SPARC Europe
> E-mail:  david.prosser@bodley.ox.ac.uk
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Rick Anderson
> Sent: 27 June 2007 05:10
> To: Velterop, Jan, Springer UK; liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu
> Subject: RE: Correction (RE: Thatcher vs. Harnad)
>
>> Gold OA (OA publishing) doesn't lower anyone's productivity,
>> and certainly not in this way.
>
> Except to the degree that it raises barriers to publication for
> authors -- which, of course, it does.  (Granted, it also lowers
> barriers to access for readers, though it also imposes
> significant costs elsewhere which I think have been fairly
> thoroughly discussed here.)
>
> Rick Anderson
> Dir. of Resource Acquisition
> University of Nevada, Reno Libraries
> rickand@unr.edu