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RE: Publication, Access Provision, and Fair Use
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- Subject: RE: Publication, Access Provision, and Fair Use
- From: "Sally Morris \(Morris Associates\)" <sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk>
- Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:31:33 EDT
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I'm uncomfortable with Stevan's use of 'reasonable/unreasonable'. Is it 'unreasonable' to be concerned about the future of your business? Publishers are juggling two concerns - to satisfy their authors' perfectly proper wish to disseminate their work as soon as possible (as well as - arguably - more widely) and to ensure that they don't damage their business at the same time. I think Stevan and others accept that allowing posting of the publisher's edited version may be too risky to subscriptions; but Beckett & Inger's study (http://www.publishingresearch.net/self_archiving.htm), unlike Ware's (http://www.alpsp.org/ngen_public/article.asp?id=200&did=47&aid=157&st=&oaid=-1), suggests that the difference between the two versions may not be significant to librarians in terms of likelihood of cancellation. The jury is still out on whether self-archiving (of whatever version) will actually turn out to damage journals - but by the time it has done so, if it does, it will be too late to turn the clock back/put the milk back in the bottle/put Humpty together again. I would therefore prefer to use neutral language about either policy Sally Morris Consultant, Morris Associates (Publishing Consultancy) Email: sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Stevan Harnad Sent: 09 June 2007 10:13 To: liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu Subject: Re: Publication, Access Provision, and Fair Use On Wed, 6 Jun 2007, Sandy Thatcher, Director, American Association of University Presses (AAUP), wrote: > Publishers will of course differ about what they consider > "reasonable." At Penn State we do allow posting of > peer-reviewed (but pre-copy-edited) articles as a "reasonable" > accommodation of author and publisher needs. I think that makes > us Green OA compliant in your terminology. Yes, that's Green, highly commendable, and the right, responsible publisher policy! But if all journal publishers were Green, there would not need to be a Fair Use Button, and we would not be having this discussion! The Fair Use Button is for articles published in the (c. 38%) of "unreasonable" journals. It is a reasonable interim solution -- not yet OA, but, once used, in ID/OA mandates, to mandate deposit universally, it will soon lead to 100% OA. http://romeo.eprints.org/stats.php > When I sign a contract with the University of Toronto Press for > an article in the Journal of Scholarly Publishing, I give UTP > "exclusive world rights"... I do not assume that I have the > right, say, to share my article with the AAUP general > listserv... But these surely are professional colleagues just > as your fellow researchers are your colleagues, Stevan. Do you > feel it's ok to post your postprint article to such a listserv, > as opposed to complying with occasional individual requests > (which is what I presume your "fair use button" is used for)? (Sandy, You are conflating what I said about the Closed-Access, Free-Use Button with what I said about Green Open-Access Self-Archiving!) No, posting the full-text to a list does not sound like what most people call "Fair Use" (any more than depositing it on the Web does). But posting one's *metadata* to the list does -- including a link to the deposited full-text in one's own Institutional Repository, which, because of the UTP embargo, some might elect to deposit as Closed Access. Then, once they reach the Closed Access dead-end, individual users can request a single copy form the author for personal research purposes by using the Fair Use Button... (Is the procedure clearer now?) > Where do you draw the line in what you consider to be your > privilege in sharing your research with other colleagues? Since the late 1980's I have been personally depositing all my refereed final drafts (postprints) and usually my preprints too. That's what I recommend all authors to do, and that's what I recommend all institutions and funders to mandate that they do: http://www.arl.org/sc/subversive/ But for those who would like to draw the line a little short of that, I recommend the Immediate-Deposit/Optional-Access (ID/OA) mandate, plus the Fair Use Button for the Closed Access Deposits during their embargo periods. http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/71-guid.html http://www.eprints.org/news/features/request_button.php > Or do you just share the preprint in an unlimited way and refer > requests for the postprint (in any more than an isolated, > occasional way) to your publisher? See above: I deposit all postprints, and most preprints. For those who want to observe publisher embargoes, I recommend ID/OA plus the Fair Use Button. > If you feel that it's ok for authors of journal articles to > distribute their articles, in preprint or postprint form, to > any number of colleagues in any manner they wish, why shouldn't > this same logic of "sharing research with colleagues" apply to > authors of books? First, once again, let us de-conflate (1) Open Access deposits from (2) Closed Access deposits plus the Fair Use Button. I assume you are asking whether the Button is ok for books too. The answer is: yes, of course it is, but most book authors are not interested in giving away more than a few promotional copies of their book online. As I said earlier, the answer is different for articles and books, because articles are written only for impact whereas books are mostly written in some hope of income (though this may change). In short, the difference between articles and books -- insofar as online Fair Use give-aways is concerned -- is that most book authors are not interested in giving them away to all would-be users who cannot or will not pay for access, whereas *all* article authors are (interested, that is: it takes a mandate to get all article-authors to actually *do* it!) (Again, please distinguish what I personally do and recommend, from what I recommend for those who wish to observe publisher embargoes.) > Do you feel it's ok for authors to send a copy of their books, > in preprint or postprint form, to any colleagues they wish > either upon request or just because they'd like them to know > about it? If not, on what principled grounds would you > distinguish the application of a "fair use" privilege to these > two cases? Yes, it's ok, but most book authors have no more desire to do so than their publishers do, and for much the same reason. *And that's the point!* There is no conflict of interest between trade book publishers and trade book authors. They both want to sell their joint product for sales royalties. In contrast, there is a *profound* conflict of interest between research journal articles authors and their publishers -- *if* the publishers are not Green on self-archiving (as Penn State Press is). > As a publisher, I would worry a great deal about an author > sending his book to any or all of his colleagues, or posting it > on his own web site or in his university's institutional > repository. Don't worry, because most authors have no motivation to do that. (But don't get too complacent, because esoteric monograph authors may eventually come to the same way of thinking as refereed journal article authors.) > You might reply that some authors have found that doing so > increases the print sales of their books. Yes, a few authors, > like Larry Lessig and Yochi Benkler, seem to have had this > experience. (I say "seem" because one has no way of proving > that the book would not have sold even better in print without > the online availability of the book.) Actually, I would not reply that way as I have my doubts that those effects will scale and be sustainable: I think the market for the print edition of books is going to shrink greatly, and at some point print costs will no longer be recoverable out of sales revenues, at which point the print-runs will vanish, apart from some special prestige hard copies. If there is still money to be made from online-edition sales, I am sure trade authors and publishers will still want to make it. For those that cannot cover costs and make a profit from online sales, there is again the option of Gold OA Publishing (paid for by the author's funder and/or institutions). > But the circumstances of a few special authors like these can > hardly be extrapolated into a generalization for all books. I agree, for books. > My worry stems from the fact that many academic libraries do > not now buy revised dissertations because they have access to > the unrevised versions through the ProQuest database or the > Networked Digital Library of Theses and Dissertations. So if > even preprint versions of monographs were to be placed online, > there is good reason to believe that library sales of such > books would dry up. Yes indeed. So it will again be the impact/income motivational split that will decide which way which books will go. > I don't see how you can argue, from the point of view of its > benefit to research, though, why there should be any principled > difference between authors of journal articles and authors of > books acting differently. In humanities, at least, books are at > least as important as articles in advancing scholarship in most > fields. The difference is not legal, it is practical, motivational. At the present time, most book authors are not motivated only or mostly by the desire to maximise impact, and hence they are not giveaway authors, whereas all journal article authors are. Harnad, Stevan (2001/2003) For Whom the Gate Tolls? http://cogprints.org/1639/01/resolution.htm Stevan Harnad PS. Sandy, it has been evident from the outset that your main interest is in books, not journal articles. Since book authors and publishers have mostly congruent motivations, you do not face the prospect of Green OA self-archiving of books (let alone Green Book self-archiving mandates). But please don't conflate the mostly congruent case of books with the universally conflictual case of articles.
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