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Re: Russia and Turkey Register Green OA Self-Archiving

As I see it Dr. Karasozen is complaining about the long time between the acceptance of the paper and the publication date. Surveys have shown that where there is academic enthusiasm for OA the backlog in many journals is a key reason.

Yet the majority of major journals that follow the subscription model make the accepted paper (usually in its definitive version after copyediting etc) immediately available on the web with a DOI for citation. Of course these papers are only available to subscribers. OA journals and those financed by subscriptions follow much the same route up to the point of putting final versions on the web except of course that for many OA journals payment has presumably to be made by the author (is that the case?) before the paper is released.

In addition a very large number of journals now use web-based online editorial system such as Manuscript Central to speed up both the submission process and the refereeing process. I appreciate that there is no reason why an electronic process should speed up refereeing but empirical evidence from any major problem will show that it does. Some how the refereeing gets prioritised by the scholars doing it. I assume that OA publishers also have these systems (do they?) and it has the same result for them.

OA advocates rightly complain about the myths used as arguments against them but this complaint (for major journals in most fields at any rate) invokes a myth when applied now to journals financed by subscriptions. I am aware that mathematics is different in many ways. For example refereeing does take longer. However mathematical publishers may be able to confirm or otherwise that these generalisations apply to them as they apply to fields with which I am now more familiar

Anthony

----- Original Message -----
From: "JOHANNES VELTEROP" <velteropvonleyden@btinternet.com>
To: <liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: Russia and Turkey Register Green OA Self-Archiving mandates

In scholarly, peer-reviewed journal publishing, embargoes and copyright restrictions have only one function: to ensure that journals can be sustained financially by selling subscriptions. Take embargoes and copyright restrictions away, and journals cannot be reliably and sufficiently sustained, because subscriptions are likely to vanish.

If one wants to get away from embargoes and copyright restrictions there are basically two scenarios:

1) Disregard formal peer-reviewed journals and publish informally
on the web.
2) Find a way to sustain formal peer-reviewed journals in a less
roundabout way than subscriptions, by means that do not require
embargoes or copyright restrictions.

The possibility of scenario 2 is increasingly being offered now (albeit not yet by all publishers or journals): sustaining journals via a per-article charges for the service of formal, peer-reviewed publication, also known as 'open access publishing'.

Jan Velterop

----- Original Message ----
From: Bulent Karasozen <bulent@metu.edu.tr>
To: liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu
Sent: Wednesday, 9 May, 2007 4:32:41 PM
Subject: RE: Russia and Turkey Register Green OA Self-Archiving
Mandates in ROARMAP

I don't see any reason for embargos for posting accepted articles on institutional repositories. The best way would be to put the the peer reviewed version of the article immedialy in the institutioanal repository. In disciplines like mathematics the reviewing process takes about one year. Publication of the accepted paper takes one to two years. Within the time the articles loose their value if they are not available for the scientific community.

In the E-thesis repository of Middle East Technical University, Ankara we have introduced the one year embargo for some thesis due to patent applications. But we don't need it for accepted articles and we will have no embargo rule for the articles.

Bulent Karasozen
Middle East Technical University
Department of Mathematics & Institute of Applied Mathematics
06531 Ankara-Turkey