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Re: Heads up: Nature license and confidentiality
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- Subject: Re: Heads up: Nature license and confidentiality
- From: Warren Holder <email@example.com>
- Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:02:44 EDT
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Rick, If you prefer, we can have this discussion off-line - my actual preference would be over a drink or three...
Is there any place in your thinking for what one might call a " loyalty " programme. Let's use Elsevier as an example [there are others of course]. Let's say a university spends in excess of [US $X Million] a year on their journals as well as Scopus, Compendex, Embase, DiscoveryGate etc. etc. Then this publisher produces their archive. In your mind is a university wrong if it wants aggressively to negotiate the price based on their rather large commitment to a given publisher? Do you really think they should pay the same price as everyone else?
Electronic Resources Co-ordinator
University of Toronto Libraries
Toronto, Ontario CANADA M5S 1A5
Rick Anderson wrote:
I'm slightly suprised that librarians find anything odd in this.It's not really that we find secret pricing odd; it's that we find it unacceptable (or I do, anyway -- I shouldn't presume to speak for everyone else).In the print world, the price was the price. In the digital world, as Peggy says herself, 'we don't all pay the price'; actual prices paid by individual consortia and even individual libraries tend to be the result of often protracted negotiation. Different factors may have a bearing in each case. So making public the price actually negotiated would be most unfair on the vendor, wouldn't it?I can see why publishers find transparent pricing undesirable, but I really don't see how they can claim that it's unfair. If you're going to sell a product or service to the public, then it seems to me that the public has a right to know how much it's paying. (If you're selling to a private institution, then you may be able to negotiate terms of secrecy into the deal -- but it doesn't seem to me that the institution is under any moral obligation to agree. "Fairness" certainly doesn't enter into it. I see no logical connection between the fact that prices and license terms vary from institution to institution as a matter of negotiation and the proposition that they should be kept secret as a matter of fairness.) ---- Rick Anderson Dir. of Resource Acquisition University of Nevada, Reno Libraries firstname.lastname@example.org