LIS educational issues

[Samuel Trosow <strosow@uwo.ca>]

I found Lee Anne's posting to be one of the more interesting and thought
provoking posts on this list for a while. Maybe that's because I try to
teach copyright/licensing issues in an LIS program. It is truly serious
stuff that's being raised here. Maybe it is nasty, but let's hear it out
before we make hasty judgments and cut it off.

I hate to see any relevant conversation get shut down. The way I
understood the "offensive" posting was that it touched on the state of
education about the concerns of this list (i.e, that's copyright and
licensing issues). It seems as if she has some relevant information to
share, so instead of trying to cut her off, why not just ask for a
clarification.

Perhaps if Lee Anne would like to expand on how she thought copyright and
licensing issues were/were not dealt with in her particular program, it
would help the rest of us LIS educators try to grapple with this important
issue. For that matter, let's start a new thread on the state of the art
of copyright/licensing education in library science schools (hence I've
changed the name of the subject line)

Bernie, for someone who posts to this list often -- lighten up willya?

Sam Trosow
Univesity of Western Ontario

"Sloan, Bernie" wrote:

> With all due respect to Lee Ann and the LIBLICENSE-L moderator...
>
> There are some pretty nasty allegations in Lee Ann's posting, e.g.,
> "Our Dean's secretary was busy enlisting students in her scheme to steal
> from the University", etc.
>
> Bernie Sloan
>
> [MOD. NOTE:  Bernie is right that the message probably didn't belong on
> this list, as it strayed too far away from our listmail topic and was too
> tongue-in-cheek as well.  Let's now leave behind the topic of library
> education, save where it relates to issues of licensing and/or scholarly
> communications.]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu] On Behalf Of hazel4205@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 5:52 PM
> To: liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu
> Subject: Re: Response to Goodman's comment on librarians
>
> I am a recent graduate of an online library school that focused on
> quantity of students.  The quality of the education was abysmal.  In a
> four week course the professor showed up two weeks into the course.  In
> reference we were searching for the highest peak on each continent rather
> than learning about the resources available which was never presented.
> In digital imaging we learned less than my daughters FIFTH grade class was
> learning in digital imaging.  I was chastised immeasuably for inquiring
> about copyright issues on digital imaging.  In our copyright class our
> professor was unaware that the largest copyright case in fifty years was
> being heard in the United States Supreme Court.  Our Dean's secretary was
> busy enlisting students in her scheme to steal from the University and our
> Dean was busy opening new branches of our school to staff with professors
> who checked in 'online' three or four times a semester.
>
> Unless the library community holds library schools accountable and
> responsible why should anyone have a right to complain...and when I
> complained that my professors were not correctly presenting issues and
> facts I was actually told by the assistant Dean why should I even bring
> that up?  So I published two books on law and the librarian after being
> told by our professor that ishould a school librarian infringe upon
> copyright not to worry...'if you 'just tell the judge you're a teacher --
> he will let you off.'
>
> Does the library community actually understand the pathetic level of
> education that these massive online programs offer?
>
> 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janellyn P Kleiner <jkleiner@lsu.edu>
> To: liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu
> Sent: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:30:48 EDT
> Subject: Re: Response to Goodman's comment on librarians
>
> Response to Krichel
>
> Knowledge of current trends in scholarly information and in universities,
> even basic knowledge of the array of resources available, the most basic
> supervisory skills, time management skills, ability to think outside the
> box which is essential today, multi-tasking and business/accounting
> skills, etc. I would like to see library schools with academic library
> tracks incorporate more business classes.  Incorporate students in faculty
> research projects and introduce them to grant writing. They should at
> least know something about how universities operate, projects and programs
> are initiated and implemented, and funding needs are addressed.
>
> A lot of these are skills but skills that other professional schools see
> as important and have some encouraging their development. We need
> students/graduates who are creative, able to deal with change, and willing
> to take risks. I think it's also important that they are introduced to how
> information develops -- from it's beginning to publication to cultural
> effects. Mass communication schools often have such courses and that
> background is excellent for future academic librarians.  This is the
> Information Age and it is an age where librarians can play important roles
> if they can meet today's challenges and those of tomorrow.