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Re: National Online: Nature and Others... (like SCIENCE)
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- Subject: Re: National Online: Nature and Others... (like SCIENCE)
- From: kaemper@ub.uni-stuttgart.de
- Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:12:10 EDT
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Papers are normally cited not verbatim but you cite facts reported in papers. I see no reason how that function could be affected in any way by small editorial changes. And don't misunderstand me: if I call this "cosmetics", I don't want to deny that it is important: Science and Nature are the "supermodels" of scientific publishing, and we know how important cosmetics is in that business ... (One part of cosmetics here is probably superior graphics.) But if scientists would wait until all papers they want desperately to read have been fully cooked they wouldn't get very far. I doubt whether real gourmets would stay long at the forefront of the research ... Fact is that ScienceExpress papers are citable (whether you find it a matter of personal discretion or not) and routinely get cited. Here is what the Science Website has to say about it (you quoted only part of it): "ScienceExpress papers are considered to be published on the day they are posted and are citable. The online publication date will appear in the print version of the paper. ... Papers posted in Science Express are considered published on the date that they are posted. The print version of a Science Express paper will indicate the date when the paper was published online and give access and citation information. (Source: http://www.sciencemag.org/feature/express/introduction.shl) These are peer-reviewed articles that have been accepted for publication in science. Note that the ScienceExpress version (as the original version of record for the publication on the date it was published) is retained and held accessible even after it has been replaced by the final print (and PDF) version: "Access to the earlier Science Express version of the paper will be available through a link from the full text of the paper on Science Online." (Source: http://www.sciencemag.org/feature/express/introduction.shl) Its easy to substitute a citation to a ScienceExpress article with the final form in later stages of a paper where I want to cite the article, e.g. Before: W. Jones, B. Smith, Science, 20 December 2000 (10.1126/science.1054678). After: W. Jones, B. Smith, Science 252, 1056 (2001); published online 20 December 2000 (10.1126/science.1054678). but it does no harm if you do not: You cite the DOI, and by construction it will always point to the right version, first to the ScienceExpress Version, than to the final version on the Science Online website - the Science website explains that mechanism in detail. In Physics, people have no problems with citing e-print servers, and they don't feel foolish. The big society publishers already support this explicitely, including the required reference linking mechanisms (cf. IOP and AIP/APS). It doesn't concern me whether institutions think that Science Online is a great deal or not - I would not argue with you about that. I only wanted to say that David is correct when he says institutional Nature subscribers are getting delayed content; your cake analogy doesn't help the faculty member who needs an article that is already getting cited. There is probably little what libraries can do about that, apart from making authors aware that their articles get not the immediate exposure they would like them to have, and to advice them to act properly, make their voice known, put their own material on OAi compliant e-print servers etc. Then publishers may do what they like, it will do little harm. Bernd-Christoph Kaemper, Stuttgart University Library Rick Anderson wrote: > > > Sorry, but that's not true. It's not pre-publication access with Science. > > ScienceExpress articles are considered published (and citable) as soon as > > they are out in the online version. The rest is just cosmetics. > > Here's what it says at the Science website: > > "Science Express provides rapid electronic publication of > selected Science papers. Print versions of these papers > will appear in Science in several weeks. Some editorial > changes may occur between the online version and the > final printed version. Access to the PDF version of the > papers is available free to all AAAS members. > Nonmembers can view papers with the pay-per-view > option." > > I guess whether they're citable or not is a matter of personal discretion. > Personally, I'd probably wait until all the edits have been made. And like > I said, the bottom line is whether you're getting what you want for your > money. At UNR, we are. > > ------------- > Rick Anderson > Electronic Resources/Serials Coordinator > The University Libraries > University of Nevada, Reno > 1664 No. Virginia St. > Reno, NV 89557 > PH (775) 784-6500 x273 > FX (775) 784-1328 > rickand@unr.edu
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